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About the Episode
In this episode of the “I Love New Mexico” podcast, host Bunny Terry chats with Kacie Henke, a realtor and resident of Las Cruces, New Mexico. They explore the unique aspects of Las Cruces, including its affordable housing market, friendly community, and vibrant local economy driven by agriculture and renewable energy. Kacie shares her personal story of moving to Las Cruces, the benefits of raising a family there, and highlights local attractions like hiking trails, restaurants, and nearby White Sands National Park. The episode paints a picture of Las Cruces as a welcoming and desirable place to live and visit.
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Original Music by: Kene Terry
Special Guest: Kacie Boylan-Henke
If “Hardworking But Fun” was a place, you have arrived! I’m Kacie, a native to New Mexico, but lover of traveling and exploring our amazing world. I grew up in Southern New Mexico, but have had the privilege of living in England and traveling to several different countries and a large number of States in the US. Traveling all over the world has given me a great perspective on people, culture and home. I love meeting new people and hearing their stories of how they choose Las Cruces as their new home, what has made Las Cruces their only home, or why they are packing up and relocating.
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Bunny 00:00:01 Hi there. I’m Bunny Terry and I’m the host of the I Love New Mexico podcast. We talk about everything here. There are no boundaries. We talk to people who are from all corners of the state, people who are chefs, who are tourists, who are artists, who are Chamber of Commerce executives, and who are from ranch families that have been here for hundreds of years. New Mexico is enchanting, and it’s interesting. And I can’t believe I get to do this job. New Mexico is so amazing, and I invite you to come along for the ride on the Island of New Mexico podcast. Thanks for being here. Today on the I Love New Mexico podcast, I get to visit with a friend and a colleague who lives in Las Cruces, which is a place that we always get inquiries about. So today we get to talk with Casey Henke, who is a realtor in Las Cruces, but also, more importantly, a resident and a fellow New Mexicans. So thank you for being here, Kasey.
Kacie 00:01:11 Thank you for having me. I’m excited to be here.
Bunny 00:01:13 So we, before we began, we talked about the different things that, seem to be important to our listeners. But one of the most important things I found is that we have a lot of listeners who are from all over the world. I mean, I have listeners in, Ireland and Scotland and England and somebody in, now, I’m not I’m not Liberia and, Dubai. So why don’t you start the podcast by telling people who are not from New Mexico. exactly where Las Cruces is and and what it is. How about that?
Kacie 00:01:55 Yeah, sure. First, shout out to England and Scotland. Scotland’s, like, my favourite place to visit ever and I lived in England for three years. So shout out to all you listeners there. I can’t wait to go back and visit one day and bring my whole entire family again. so yeah, as far as Las Cruces is concerned, where it’s located, we are very south southern New Mexico.
Kacie 00:02:19 We’re about an hour away from the border of Mexico. El Paso, Texas. Most people have heard of El Paso before. They’ve heard of Las Cruces. And we’re very close. El Paso and Las Cruces are starting to merge together. So we are very, very far south in New Mexico.
Bunny 00:02:39 And it’s, I don’t think people have a, a real, appreciation for the size of New Mexico. New Mexico is the fifth largest. yes. In terms of land mass, fifth largest state in the United States. And from where I live to where you live, is, you should probably tell me, how far is that? Like four and a half? Five hours?
Kacie 00:03:03 Yeah, I think we’re about four hours because you guys are about an hour away from. Well, depending from Albuquerque and we’re from Albuquerque. Yeah. So we’re like three, 3.5 hours from Albuquerque and then about four, four and a half from you guys. Yeah. So it’s a far distance. Yeah. So I think I mean it’s a day trip.
Bunny 00:03:22 It is, it is, it is. Yeah. Absolutely is. But KC I want folks to know about you. What what is your first of all, how did you end up in Las Cruces and what is your New Mexico story? How did you end up here in general?
Kacie 00:03:42 Yeah, well, it dates back to my papa. My papa is military, and he ended up in Cannon Air Force Base, which is Clovis, New Mexico, and that’s where he was stationed. He also was in England. That’s where my mom was born. That’s then they went back again. And so the first base out of England was Cannon Air Force Base. So they ended up there. And my dad happened to be a military as well. My mom and dad met at the some restaurant there and then started dating and eventually we all ended up at Holloman Air Force Base because my grandparents got stationed at Holloman. And then that’s where we’ve all ended up and we’ve all stayed. So Holloman Air Force Base is Alamogordo, New Mexico, which is about an hour, east of Las Cruces, kind of northeast of Las Cruces.
Kacie 00:04:36 And so we we have a long, long generation, lots of family members that have been here that still live here in New Mexico. I feel like some people, I don’t know if this is a good thing to say or not. Some people call it the land of entrapment instead of the Land of Enchantment, but I don’t feel that way. I think it’s just a beautiful place to live. And I think there’s so much positive versus the negative, but I think that everybody probably has something good or bad to say about where they live. But so many people stay because there’s a lot of benefits. But I’ve been here my entire life. I did, I did get out, moved to England, moved to Texas. I did get out a little bit, but I did go to college in Las Cruces. So I was here for four years, long time ago, and then of course got out. And then I came back in 2017 and it’s been like, I love it. I love it here.
Kacie 00:05:33 I like the size, I like the people.
Bunny 00:05:37 It’s one of my favorite cities. It’s I went to school there, of course, in 1978 was when I started and I went to college at Las Cruces, and I never have stopped sort of in the back of my mind thinking about, okay, that’s where I want to, you know, go back or own some property or, or live or I don’t know, You know, every time it is, your weather is much better in the winter than ours is in the northern part of the state. And so even last night we were looking at houses. So it’s, it’s it’s really, in addition to being a beautiful place to visit, the weather’s nice.
Kacie 00:06:16 It’s so much nicer. Like I’m looking out my window now and we don’t have snow on the ground. I feel like you guys have already hit snow, haven’t you? Like, it’s already snowed a couple times. So in Santa Fe.
Bunny 00:06:26 14in one time? Yeah.
Kacie 00:06:28 Yeah. I’m not sure if we even hit that for a total in an entire year.
Kacie 00:06:33 Might maybe 3 or 4 years collectively we might hit that amount of snow. But I mean, my kids are still wearing shorts and t shirts to school. And I mean, I think they should be wearing hoodies, but I’m always cold. But it’s I mean, the weather is absolutely beautiful and a lot of people relocate here because they’re sick of the colder weather. Surprisingly, I get a lot of people from the colder states like Minnesota or Washington or some of those northern states. They’re just sick of it, and they’re sick of the snow. And they’re like, we need something that doesn’t have bad weather. And they find Las Cruces.
Bunny 00:07:09 So what do you you’re raising a family there, right?
Kacie 00:07:12 I am, I am, yeah. We got. What do.
Bunny 00:07:16 You think? What’s the coolest thing. Yeah. What’s the coolest thing about raising a family there, do you think?
Kacie 00:07:21 I think, I mean, I think there’s a few things that I love about raising a family here. One, there’s just the nature.
Kacie 00:07:31 Like we can get outside. I’m a huge outdoorsy kind of person, and so I’ve raised my family to be that way as well. We go camping, we go hiking. There’s tons of trails everywhere to go hiking. And I think that is so important for kids to get out of nature, get out into nature and get dirty and breathe in the fresh air and not be stuck inside all the time. And they can do it year round, which I think is super important because some places they can’t they’re stuck inside for months at a time because it’s so cold or, you know, dangerous or whatever the case is. So this place is really nice for that. On top of that, I think the people and the community is just amazing. And I have people that relocate here all the time and they’re like, I’ve never met so many friendly people in one place. Like, people actually wave at you when you drive by and they hold the door open for you and they say, please and thank you, and we’re not used to that.
Kacie 00:08:26 And that community and that sense of kindness, I think, radiates in people like my kids. I want them to have that internally instilled in them. And I think just being in the town and growing up that way, I think that that is like a such a great way or environment to raise your kids. And so I love that part.
Bunny 00:08:49 When I was there, it felt like a really small town, even though it was and and continues to be the second largest city in the state, which in New Mexico is not huge, but still, it felt and it also has that feeling of being and and I don’t know if this is still true sort of an agricultural community. I mean, that’s still a big piece of your economy, right?
Kacie 00:09:17 Hundred percent. Yes. So we have about 120,000 people here. And then we have all of the outlying cities or little towns that make up more. what’s the word? Residents. I can’t say population. My goodness, my my brain didn’t work, so it makes it more population.
Kacie 00:09:41 but it is still such a sense of community. Yes. And then agriculture. New Mexico State University is an ag college and will continue to always be an ad college. So we raise farmers and we teach people how to a farm. the kids school they have most of the parents I think are pecan farmers, onion farmers, cotton farmers. Like, we have a huge community here. And what’s cool is you just you get to know them all, and they’re all human. They’re not like, I run the biggest pecan farm in the state of New Mexico, and I ship. I was just talking to Juan at a field trip. He’s an onion farmer. He was talking about the economy and how he ships to, you know, all over. And I’m like, wow, I didn’t realize that little Las Cruces helps, you know, feed onions to the entire world. I thought it was more so, just a local thing. But our agriculture is a huge part of our economy.
Bunny 00:10:41 And I want folks to know just, I mean, what talk about that local, especially the the pecan economy and what it’s like to visit.
Bunny 00:10:52 I mean, because I don’t think people get the magnitude of that. Those pecan orchards in that area.
Kacie 00:10:59 Yeah. So I think you’re like, you want to live on the valley side or you are a valley kind of person, and the valley is where all the pecan farms are. And or there’s just like the east side or the west side, but not in like a, like a gang kind of way. We’re just that that’s kind of how we separate it in. On the west side is where the valley is. That’s where the Rio Grande River runs through, and that’s where there is just tons of agriculture. And it’s kind of neat because you drive through Las Cruces and you see the desert and you see cactus and you see just kind of desert landscaping, and then you drive over to the valley side where we do have the Rio Grande and we have the farmland, and it doesn’t look like you’re in New Mexico anymore. We have acres and acres and miles and miles of beautiful pecan trees. a little bit up the road we have pistachio like Alamogordo is known for pistachio farming and they have tons of pistachios.
Kacie 00:11:56 And we actually fun fact I don’t know if you know this, and you probably do since you’ve lived here, the wineries here, we have about six really good wineries here in Las Cruces that grow grapes, that make wine. And they you can go in and taste them and have like your little wine tasting board. And it’s incredible. Like it’s such a fun experience and you think Napa Valley for wine. But if you want like a cheaper, more relaxed kind of wine tasting experience, you should come to Las Cruces, New Mexico. I think all of us should hang out and go wine tasting together.
Bunny 00:12:34 I think we should, and I, I, when I was there, I lived in a what what used to be a bunkhouse off of Snow Road in Mesilla and or west of Mesilla. And, I mean, there’s a there’s also this rich history that people who don’t live here, may not understand completely, but do you want to talk about that just a little bit? Because Masha is so cool.
Kacie 00:13:05 Yeah. So Messiah. Most people, I guess, don’t realize that Messiah is its own town. They are. They have their own government. They have their own mayor. They have their own set of rules, their own police. And then we have Las Cruces. That’s kind of surrounding Messiah. And Messiah has this rich culture and history, and we’re about to do a tree lighting in Messiah, which is pretty cool. And like the whole town gets together and they just have a different set of rules, but in a good way. It’s just a different vibe when you go down. And I think it really translates most to Santa Fe. It just gives that same vibe of Santa Fe, just because all of the the architecture is very old and historic and kind of that Pueblo New Mexican vibe. And all the buildings are neat, and it’s just a cool little place to go. And then surrounding that is back to it. Las Cruces and people, the the houses, everything is definitely more expensive.
Kacie 00:14:10 That’s why I think it translates most to Santa Fe, because it’s a little bit more expensive like you guys are, but it’s still like the cheaper version of Santa Fe if you wanted to get that vibe.
Bunny 00:14:21 Well, and it’s, you know, I, I mean, they say on the wall of La Posta that Billy the Kid hung out there, and it’s where the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed. Where? Which made that southern part of New Mexico, part of the US territory instead of Mexico. I used to walk to the post office in the summertime because I went to summer school, and then I would sit down there on the plaza and drink coffee. It was like back before. Back before there were coffee shops, so I would have to bring my own in a thermos. But yeah, it’s really, really beautiful. But there’s so much. There’s so much else. to Las Cruces. I mean, if you were let’s, let’s say somebody’s coming to visit and they have 3 or 4 days, what are some things they absolutely shouldn’t miss if they’re coming to Las Cruces? If you have company coming to town, what do you take them to do?
Kacie 00:15:18 Yeah.
Kacie 00:15:19 So I think food is huge in Las Cruces. Of course. Of course. Yes. And I think that that’s like our number one thing that anytime I have people relocate here or they’re like, hey, what should we do? I always send them to go eat at different places. Live is on one of them. It’s just a really neat restaurant and it’s has this rich culture, like you said, it’s really, really fun. and then they have, I don’t know if when you were there they had parrots inside, but they have, like, this huge parrot. Yeah, with parrots and stuff. Yes. It’s like Stonington and a cool gift shop and jewelry shop, and you can get pretty much anything you need. If you’re a gift giver for your family and you’re coming into town and you want to experience it and then bring back gifts. All you need to do is go to the post and they have like everything that you need, which is really cool and then delicious. Margarita is probably the best in town.
Kacie 00:16:13 And then I would say hiking. If you are into hiking, we have a place called Slot Canyon. It reminds me of, you know, the little wavy canyons in Arizona. Like, I can’t even think of the the name of them, but they are tall and they’re dug out by wind and water. Do you know what I’m talking about? Like, they’re, like, tall and.
Bunny 00:16:37 The narrows in in Utah to, yes. Which could be. Is it sort of like that? Yeah. I didn’t know that existed. I’m writing it down.
Kacie 00:16:46 Yeah. So slot Canyon, it’s a really easy hike so your kids can go, or, I mean, some of it gets a little narrow, but nothing like claustrophobic or anything. And I think it’s like a mile hike and it’s so nice. And then after you get to the other side of it, you can hike more and there’s more hiking, but it’s just a nice cool, and you don’t feel like you’re part of New Mexico.
Kacie 00:17:08 And then we have Dripping Springs, which we have waterfalls in Las Cruces, which most people don’t think that we have as well. So Dripping Springs, after a good rain, it is an absolute must to go to Dripping Springs. And you do have to pay to park your car. So it’s like five bucks. I’ve made that mistake because I don’t carry cash and I’ve been there and I’m like, darn it, I need five bucks. But so I’m just telling you guys that now, if you do go to Dripping Springs, bring five bucks to park your car, and then you can go and it has the old, is it, is it a firm or is that the name of it? Like where when people got really sick, there was like these old like.
Bunny 00:17:52 Oh, and infirmary. Yeah.
Kacie 00:17:53 Infirmary. Okay. So there’s this old building that was an infirmary that people, when they got sick, they would send them up to this Dripping Springs. And the buildings are still there in the signage.
Kacie 00:18:05 There’s a lot of history there. so you can go there and check out the buildings, which is cool. And then if you walk a little bit further, there’s this magical waterfall which you can go in, and it’s pretty neat because you wouldn’t think that there’s waterfalls here, but there are, there’s some cool waterfalls. So I would say those two places, if it’s outdoor and then of course, we’re really close to White Sands, New Mexico. I know that’s not Las Cruces, but White Sands is about 45 minute drive towards Alamogordo, and people come from all over the world to get married at White Sands, to have family photos at White Sands. I know people that fly in their photographers just to have photos at White Sands, because it’s one of the most magical places on Earth, and it’s miles and miles and miles of beautiful crystal white gypsum sand that does not get hot, ever. So you can stand on it and it’s 120 degrees outside and it’s still cool, which I think that’s like the main thing, but there’s no water.
Kacie 00:19:13 So if you’re going for a beach vibe, we just got the beach. We don’t have the ocean surrounding it or any water, but it’s pretty magical. So that’s the place.
Bunny 00:19:23 We did a yeah. So I did a, I, I can’t remember, I it might have been at the beginning of the summer, I did a, summer bucket list podcast, and I talked about going to White Sands during the full moon, and I would still, we’ll we’ll put a link to that podcast here, but I have yet to do that. I know my son did it once, and, that’s one of the nights when they allow you to stay all night. But the reservations are really limited. So have you ever. Have you gone on a full moon before?
Kacie 00:19:58 So I’ve just been to White Sands a lot, and I’ve never done the full moon night. because there’s just a lot of people, which I think is really cool, but I like to go just during the day, but I, I do want to go to it.
Kacie 00:20:14 And you’re right, it does fill up fast. But there’s a lot of them. I mean, they’re every I don’t know how often I don’t remember science, how often the full moons go, but there’s quite a few of them. And then there’s, like midnight, trail walks, I think, or full moon trail walks. Like the Rangers will actually take you on walks on those full moon nights. Like, it’s pretty neat.
Bunny 00:20:35 Well, we have to talk for a minute, because you and I, both I and I keep trying to remind people that this is not. This is not my only, vocation, that I actually have to earn a living. But you sell real estate, so I think it’s really important for people to know, that even though Las Cruces is an incredibly, hospitable place and in terms of weather and the people and, things to do and attractions, but it’s also not an expensive place to move to, whether you want to raise a family or retire. Right?
Kacie 00:21:13 Exactly, yes.
Kacie 00:21:14 So we average cost of living is much lower than a lot of places. I just did a video actually on it, I think out of I don’t remember the numbers, but we were one of the lowest cost of living’s. There was like a list of say 300 places, and we ranked, like 264 lowest cost of living. So we were in that category, which I think is pretty cool because there’s obviously tons and tons of places to live. average price of home is less than 300,000. And that’s just wow, crazy. I know, I know, that’s like that’s like a dirt lot for you guys. But it’s it’s crazy. And you can get new construction homes for. I just listed one for 289,000 for a new construction home that’s offering 6% towards right buy down or closing costs. Like we have very affordable living I think. And that’s what I think most people are attracted to whenever they are relocating here or when they’re choosing to stay here after college or choosing to stay here after they retire because it’s unmatched.
Kacie 00:22:29 They look at other places and they can’t fathom paying other prices. When they look at ours, they’re like, wow, the weather is good, the price of homes is good, the commutes are really good. It’s unbeatable. We don’t have great shopping.
Kacie 00:22:45 So Yeah.
Bunny 00:22:48 Yeah. You don’t have great shopping.
Kacie 00:22:50 No, no, our mall is not the best. We don’t have. We go into El Paso to shop or we go to Albuquerque to shop, or we just use Amazon. So I can’t give us credit for that. So if you want good shopping, don’t move here. But other than that, we got all the rest of the boxes checked.
Bunny 00:23:07 Well everybody does their shopping online anyways. So that’s exactly that’s not a big deal. But and and you have good medical care I mean now you have a medical school at the college, right? I mean, you have an osteopath. So that’s I mean, that’s all people always ask me that when they’re looking at homes in Santa Fe.
Bunny 00:23:26 They’re there because I would say my median age of buyer is about like from 58 to 65. And that’s a question that everybody asks me. So what what’s the deal there for Las Cruces?
Kacie 00:23:41 Oh, I never ran those stats. That’s a really good question. I, I think it’s on opposite spectrums. So we have a lot, a lot of first time homebuyers because we do have the college. And so we have a lot of people moving here. We have new doctors moving here because they go to Burrell Medical School, and then they might get their residency here or their new doctor here, because New Mexico has those cool doctor programs where if you live in a rural state, you can get your medical school paid for. That’s what my cousin did. He actually went to, Creighton University and then came went to Santa Fe and actually was a dentist in Santa Fe to get his school paid for. So they have those programs that we actually get a lot of new doctors in, which is pretty cool.
Kacie 00:24:29 so we have a lot of first time homebuyers, and then we have a really good nursing program too. So we get, you know, the nurses, all of that. But then we get a lot of people looking to retire here because for medical reasons, a lot of doctors say, hey, you need a dry climate. Well, this that’s us. We’re we’re very much a dry climate. So people move here for that or the cost of living. There’s just. Or they’re just ready for sunshine. And we have 360 days of sunshine a year here in Las Cruces. Like, it’s it’s a fantastic place if you’re needing that vitamin D. So, as far as age range, I don’t know. I need to actually do that research. I’m not quite sure, but I feel like I get both opposite sides of the spectrum.
Bunny 00:25:15 Well, that’s really cool. And you still have a really strong economy. I mean, you you.
Kacie 00:25:21 Yeah.
Bunny 00:25:22 It seems to me.
Kacie 00:25:24 Yeah, yeah. So a lot of our driving force for the, our economy, we do have agriculture like we had already discussed, but we have a lot of renewable energy.
Kacie 00:25:36 that’s that’s a huge driving force. And I don’t think people really realize that with Las Cruces that that we’re we’re such a huge hitter for renewable energy. Here. We have, a lot of space programs because we have NASA, we have the Spaceport America down the road. We have, lots of different entities that are aerospace driven here locally. Then we have FBI, we have Border Patrol. So we have huge corporations that drive our economy that most places don’t have at all. So if you’re into any of those and you need a job or you want something more cost, like better cost of living, that’s and you’re into that field like, this is such a great place to go.
Bunny 00:26:23 That’s so cool. We I, I’m, it’s it’s just funny to me that we’re talking today after last night we got online, looked at houses like, should we have a place that, you know, it’s it’s the curse of being a realtor. Everywhere you go, you look at houses. We just went to San Miguel and we looked at houses there and it was like, no, we we want to go somewhere where the weather’s nice, but we don’t want our, our extra second whatever home to be, you know, a days air airfare, air flight away.
Bunny 00:26:56 So who knows, we may come to see you sooner rather than later, but I want people to find you if they’re curious. So in the show notes to this podcast, we have a link to we’ve got Casey’s information so you can contact her. But we’ve also got a link to her website and her social media profile. So, what? I’m just before we get finished, what’s the best time of year if somebody’s just coming for a visit to get acquainted with the city?
Kacie 00:27:30 I think the fall is always really nice. And I’m like early, early fall, because that’s surprisingly when we get most of our flowers blooming. And it is absolutely stunning. We have sage bushes all over New Mexico and we have, Palo verde. I don’t know if you guys have those there, but there are these green trees that okay, are there? Y’all should plant them. But I don’t know if they’re like, if y’all are too cold, but they’re green trunk trees with these gorgeous yellow flowers. So our entire town is purple and yellow and it’s just absolutely stunning.
Kacie 00:28:13 And so you drive anywhere and it just makes you happy because those two colors are really good for, I don’t know, your mood. And then also, we’re not windy at that time. The weather is not very hot because the summers are a little bit hot. Spring we get a little bit windy. We have two months that are just brutal with the wind for us. And then I’m sure other places like Kansas or I don’t know, wherever, it’s a little bit windier, but I would say early fall is probably the best because it’s the most beautiful and the weather is the best.
Bunny 00:28:48 Well, and I’m not going to ask you to tell folks where to stay or other places to eat besides La Posta, because I want them to contact you. I want them to. Yeah, give you a call. And I.
Kacie 00:28:58 Have a whole lot of first guide.
Kacie 00:29:00 Tips.
Bunny 00:29:01 Nice. Of course, you do.
Kacie 00:29:04 Know you do a good.
Bunny 00:29:06 Job. Well, Casey, it’s been so much fun to visit.
Bunny 00:29:10 we are coming.
Kacie 00:29:11 To you soon. In person. Please.
Bunny 00:29:13 So, please.
Kacie 00:29:14 Do you better call? Absolutely. Yeah. Of course, of course.
Bunny 00:29:19 And thank you for giving us. You know, this is just as the weather starts to get icky. I want folks to know that they can go and spend a week in Las Cruces and be really comfortable.
Kacie 00:29:31 Yes, we have a lot of snowbirds coming our way because they’re they want this for the winter. So this is definitely a good place to come and visit when it gets a little too cold where you’re at.
Bunny 00:29:41 Yeah. Nice. Well, thank you, Casey, for spending some time with me.
Kacie 00:29:45 Thank you. I appreciate you having me on. It was fun.
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