About the Episode:
Bunny talks to Lori Colt – Lori Colt Social Media Director for New Mexico State Committee National Museum of Women in the Arts, an organization that “champions women artists across New Mexico in support of the National Museum of Women in the Arts.” If you love art and New Mexico (like I know you do!) you’re going to love this episode!
Links
New Mexico Women in the Arts website
Artists registry page
National Museum of Women in the Arts (the mothership)
Center for Contemporary Arts
Through the Flower Gallery
Women, Art, and Society (World of Art) Paperback
NM Women in the Arts Instagram
Bunny’s website
Buy Bunny’s book on Amazon
I Love New Mexico Instagram
I Love New Mexico Facebook
Original Music by: Kene Terry
Featuring:
Lori Colt and New Mexico Women in the Arts.
Welcome to the New Mexico State Committee of the National Museum of Women in the Arts – NMC for short! As one of 23 national and international committees supporting the National Museum, our major goal is to champion New Mexico women artists in as many ways as possible.
Here in New Mexico, we are committed to serving our membership with excellent programming, including studio tours, panel discussions and gallery meet-ups. For the first time in our over 20 year history, we will be collaborating with the Center for Contemporary Art to mount an exhibition in the Spring of 2020 of all five of our Women to Watch nominated artists. Other planned programming includes a collaboration with the Glass Alliance New Mexico and the School for Advanced Research.
Episode Transcript
Bunny: (00:00)
Hi there. I’m Bunny Terry, and you’re listening to the I Love New Mexico podcast. Whether you’re a native new Mexican, who’s lived here for your entire life, or you’re just considering a visit, this episode is for you. Join us as we share a lot of New Mexico stories, talk about all things New Mexico, and include topics like what’s magical here, where are you ought to visit, what’s happening, and the things you absolutely cannot miss in the land of Enchantment. We’re excited that you’re here and we can’t wait to show you what an amazing place New Mexico is, because let’s face it, I love New Mexico. We have such a special guest today. Um, Lori Colt is joining us, and she is with an organization that serves certainly one of my favorite segments of the population, and that is women in the Arts in New Mexico. So, Lori, rather than me, um, try to explain to folks who you are and who you’re affiliated with and what your organization does. Um, tell me, tell us.
Lori: (01:17)
Okay. Well, thank you. Thanks for the opportunity. I am a volunteer with the New Mexico State Committee for the National Museum of Women in the Arts, and that they are located in Washington DC and we are a state committee. There’s about somewhere between 25 and 30 committees that represent this national museum throughout the world. Actually. Uh, it was the first museum dedicated solely to women’s art. And, um, it was started by this lovely woman in Washington DC who, um, in the 1970s with an art background, started traveling around Europe with her husband and started collecting women’s art. And she was really realizing that she was doing background study that so many women were sort of ignored through history with our art contributions. So she started collecting and by the eighties she had AMAs about 500 pieces. And so, um, with a lot of support from friends, she ended up opening her home, um, sort of as a museum, allowed people to come see this artwork. And then, she was encouraged by the National Endowment of the Arts to consider opening a true museum in Washington dc which she did. It opened its stores in 1987, and then 10 years later long comes the New Mexico State Committee as one of the committees. Um, and our charter is to support women in this state, elevate them, make sure they’re being recognized for their art and their contribution. And, um, I pleasure and delight in being a volunteer and doing the Instagram. So, um, we’ve seen the Instagram page grow from like 250 followers to 1500 now, and people are so excited and we’re sharing, you know, posts of what we’re working on in events. And so it’s really quite delightful.
Bunny: (03:18)
Well, so we’ll put a link to that Instagram account, but what is your handle?
Lori: (03:24)
It is New Mexico Women in the Arts. Wow. And that is also the website as well.
Bunny: (03:30)
What, what a great, what a great title. I know you just had a really interesting event at the Governor’s mansion. In fact, one, several of my friends were there, and so I so tell us what that was about, because that was a milestone.
Lori: (03:48)
Yes, it was. That was celebrating our 25th anniversary of supporting New Mexico women, um, as a part of this national organization. And so we were blessed to have Tanya Turner Carroll introduce, um, Judy Chicago. So are these phenomenal? I know these, this crazy kick kind of ladies that are supporting and making art. So, um, yeah, and in fact, I actually just uploaded the video from that onto our Instagram page just a couple of days ago so that people that were not able to attend, cuz it was a limited number of people that could go. Um, so people that weren’t able to attend can actually watch and hear what was said. And the other thing that happened at that event was, um, our governor, Michelle Lujan Graham had announced that October 14th, which was our anniversary party date, uh, is National Women in the Arts Day for New Mexico. So it’ll be honored into perpetuity every year on October 14th, which is really pretty cool.
Bunny: (04:59)
Nice. Well, and there may be listeners who are thinking, well, yeah, well we know, I mean, women in the arts get, you know, they get recognition, they, you know, they can sell their pieces anywhere. But that’s, that’s, I mean, you’ve, you’ve really helped make great strides and, and offered them, um, as I understand it, some tools that maybe, um, female artists don’t have on their own. I mean, let’s, let’s, let’s hear a little bit about what you’ve accomplished for women artists and what you’re still doing. What do you offer that they can’t get elsewhere?
Lori: (05:33)
Well, I think what we’re trying to really do is elevate women artists and make sure that they’re being seen. And so one of the things we do with our membership is we provide, um, tours of various artist studios. Um, we’ve had some talks, I think Covid has put some kind of a little, you know, um, what do I wanna say? Like a wrench into some of that. But I think we’re coming back with that. Mm-hmm. . Um, and we also offer, when women join our organization, it’s very inexpensive. It’s $50 a year. Wow. You actually get a webpage. So we make a webpage on, at the artist’s behalf, has their bio, sort of their artist statement, several images, then links to their sites so that when we promote an individual, cause we’re trying to go through and promote should we promote everybody and touch everybody. People can go onto our website, see their page, they can click on that person’s website, learn a little bit more, more. And we also have a newsletter that comes out monthly. We have a wonderful volunteer, um, Rebecca NoDa that does that. And you can submit to her events that you have. So like we’ve, I mean, we have supported so many of the summer and fall art tours that have happened all over the state, and we’re really wanting to make sure we touch the more rural areas. And so unless we hear about them, we can’t support it. So it’s really important that that gets communicated to us. Um, so those are some of the things that we’re doing. Um, the one thing I guess I wanted to say is that like for museum collections, women only represent about 13% of, of museum collections.
Bunny: (07:21)
I was gonna ask you, you know, are women still horribly underrepresented Absolutely. In the museum? That’s one of my questions.
Lori: (07:29)
Yes, they are. And it’s, there has been so many, so much investigative reporting has just come out, really even just like the summer about it. And one writer, her name is escaping me at the moment, but uh, there is a link to her on our Instagram page. She actually even found that women get paid about 10% of what men do in the art world. And oh my Lord, if you sign your work as a woman, that sometimes will diminish the value of your work, which is ridiculous. Yeah. .
Bunny: (08:02)
Wow. And here we live, I mean, we live in a state where, where several of the most famous female artists ever have either worked or are working. I mean, Judy Chicago, people don’t know that she, um, lives now she to live in Gallo, but she lives elsewhere now. Right. She
Lori: (08:19)
Lives in Berlin. In Berlin. Okay.
Bunny: (08:21)
Okay. And, and of course Georgia O’keeffe who just had her hundred and 35th birthday. I mean, New Mexico is the home of amazing women artists, female artists. I’m sure you have a whole list and I’d love to hear it, but, um, I, I’m sorry, but that 10% number is pretty astounding.
Lori: (08:40)
Yeah, it really, really is. And so yeah, we are really trying to, you know, support the national charter and just do what we can for that slice of pie. One of the things that, um, the National Museum for Women in the Arts does, this will be the seventh time they’re doing it, it’s called Women to Watch. And what they do is they ask the various states that are participating to elect five women in our state, and they are candidates to become one of the women to watch for a, um, nationwide exhibition. And these happened every four years. So we had, um, our curator and everybody’s a volunteer on this organization. No one’s getting paid . Our curating was, um, Nancy Zadel and she is an editor for Hyperallergic, which is an amazing, um, arts, online arts forum. They have do reporting and events and everything, but she has elected five really amazing women in our state. And then, so one of the upcoming events that I am aware of is in the spring we will be hosting a public venue so people can see these five women and the kind of art that they’re doing, because this, next women to watch the title of it is a New World. And so it’s trying to look at the future. And so these five women have done more futuristic art, like what might the future look like? And um, so you can see a link on our website to the five different women. Very eclectic group, very diverse. Um, it’s gonna be a really great show. I think.
Bunny: (10:23)
I was looking at that earlier. So what you’re saying is that in the spring you’ll have some sort of a show that honors
Lori: (10:32)
Those women? Yeah, I, my understanding is, and I don’t know if the details have been finalized, but that CCA, so that’s the Center for Creative Arts. Oh, nice. Contemporary arts in Santa Contemporary. Yeah. They’ll be hosting, apparently they did it in 2020. So now this is for 2024. We’ve already, um, selected the five women and um, two of ’em are from the Santa Clara Pueblo. One is an assistant professor at unm. Um, one is a very, um, interdisciplinary performance art artist, poet, writer. And the other is a feminist, um, uh, painter in Albuquerque. So phenomenal women. But yeah, that’s my understanding. Sometime in the spring at CCA we will be doing a, a presentation so the public can see their art.
Bunny: (11:21)
Well, we wanna be sure and let people know. And just so everybody knows, the Center for Contemporary Arts is in Santa Fe off of Old Santa Fe Trail. And, um, well I feel like oughta get somebody from from CCA to come on the podcast sometime because they are always doing something amazing. Um, they are over there. So I’m excited that you’re gonna be there. I mean, what a great venue, but, so you are, I know you wanna talk about this group, but I also wanna talk about how you came to this. Are you, I mean, you’re an artist as well,
Lori: (11:55)
Right? I am, um, yeah, I kind of retired during Covid. I have a long background of middle management procurement. I was in a lot variety of manufacturing jobs. And then, um, at one point my husband and I moved from San Diego, which is where I’m originally from, to El Dorado up by Santa Fe. And I got involved in a nonprofit, environmental nonprofit called Wild Earth Guardians. And, um, my position there evolved into the communications director. So I did that. I was with that, um, uh, organization for about 11 years. And then, um, life changes ended up going back to work and purchasing. But when I came back to New Mexico, um, cause we kind of, my husband and I kind of be bobbed back and forth between California and here. Um, when we came back, uh, I wasn’t working any longer, so I said, you know, I finally wanna work on my art. And so that’s what I’ve dedicated myself to the last year. And it’s really been so much fun. But I wanted to get involved more in the community and, um, I just, I really find that this opportunity to connect and use this skill set I had from doing communications and doing social media, um, that this was a nice niche for me to get into. So yeah, I rose raised my hand and started volunteering in June. And um, it’s been really a lot of fun. I’ve met so many wonderful artists, men and women. That’s the thing. It’s not just about women. There are plenty of men supporters and we’re so grateful for that. So yeah, so that’s kind of how my path led me here. And um, actually this weekend I’m doing my very first art show in Mariposa and Rio Rancho. So that should be kind of fun. I’m interested to see how that goes. .
Bunny: (13:45)
That’s exciting. And, it sounds like you sort of like me, um, you can’t stay away. I mean, you went San Diego, but went back, but you couldn’t stay away. So Yeah. Are you in New Mexico to stay?
Lori: (13:57)
I am. I, you know, I’m a Taurus and I’m kind of one of those people that, you know, has the, the hand tendrils, the roots going down in the ground. And, um, I just have such an affinity for this, uh, state. And I really think so much of it has to do with the fact that the Pueblos are here and, um, the Navajos have been here, that it’s just these lands have been so protected and they’re so pristine, and I am so grateful for that. Um, so I think that’s the draw for me is just these gorgeous, this gorgeous community. So pretty.
Bunny: (14:30)
So if we were talking about I know that you can’t, um, talk about your favorite, uh, New Mexico artist, but I do think it’s fun for, for listeners to hear, um, maybe where they, you know, I think if I’m traveling somewhere, you, I think you have to be a really special sort of tourist to say, man, I really wanna explore the art of that particular region. And yet, and yet, if you are coming to New Mexico for the first time, I’m curious to know if you have any specific recommendations you would make to somebody, especially in terms of seeing art.
Lori: (15:12)
Yeah, I mean there are so many amazing places in galleries. I mean, I have an affinity with the Turner Carroll because they have been so supportive and I love their, um, ethic of just being very diverse.
Bunny: (15:25)
And let me just say that new space, where they are, um, is, I, I knew that space when it was molecule, but just so everybody knows, the Turner Car, Carroll Gallery is now over on Shoe Fly in Albuquerque, and it’s in a container, a building that is, I believe, 11 containers or eight. I can’t, I don’t recall. I, I tried to sell it to somebody and they bought it instead. And I’m really happy about it because they’re also really big supporters of the, the, um, nonprofit that I’m the board chair for, which is the Cancer Foundation. I mean, they’re just generous. They’re just determined to give back to the community that they work in. But I want you to go ahead and talk about their gallery. You said you’re very partial to them.
Lori: (16:08)
Well, I truly am because of that support. And I think they are really great. I mean that whole like Canyon Road and you know, the Plaza. Um, so just speaking specific to Santa Fe, because that’s where I’ve kind of been as of late, um, there are two that I really, um, appreciate because I feel like they’re represented very under appreciated artist. Um, one is Miniature Gallery and it’s this little teeny tiny gallery and it is, um, what’s her name? Her name is Mary, and I’m trying to think of how I would explain. It’s on Water Street 1 0 2 East Water Street. But what she does is she,
Bunny: (16:49)
I don’t even know that…
Lori: (16:50)
It’s adorable. All her pieces are maybe four inch, five inch by five inch. They’re teeny tiny pieces that are very affordable and she’s really so supportive and lovely. So she’s one that I really like. And then I love Fahrenheit, um, the gallery owner there, Gregory Farra, he owns this gap. Say that again. Gregory Farra. And it’s called Fahrenheit. And he does these really great exhibits. Um, and he is upstairs off of the plaza. I don’t have his address at my fingertips, but Fahrenheit, he did the Sovereign Santa Fe show at La Fonda during, um, the Indian Market. And it’s just contemporary DNA artists, um, Pueblo artists, a lot of indigenous, um, a lot of women artists. Um, he supports, um, community. So I think those are the few, I would kind of just say they’re niches. People don’t really know about ’em, I don’t think. And I think they’re doing great stuff.
Bunny: (17:53)
Well, and I would say, um, and Lori, this may not be true for you, but for me it was always, I always felt, um, you know, I would say more than 10 years ago before I moved to Santa Fe, but I always felt a little intimidated about just walking into a gallery. I always thought, of course, I’m not gonna buy anything cuz I have to pay the rent. But, I think, um, I mean, I’d like to encourage people to, you know, I, I had been coming to Santa Fe for years and I had never gone to Canyon Road because I had in my head that I couldn’t afford to, to look at those paintings that I’m like, ev Now when I think about it, I think every artist wants eyes on their work. I mean, that’s the reason you do it, right?
Lori: (18:42)
Exactly. Yeah. And you get it. I, for me, I go, cause I love talking to the galleries. I mean, sometimes they’re just bored waiting for people, you know, and, and…
Bunny: (18:52)
Right.
Lori: (18:53)
And They’re so educated. And then I get inspiration, you know, I, I just find it, it’s something I do at least once a month is go there just because it’s easy for me. I take the train up from Rio Rancho and it’s very easy for me to walk over and, um, you know, I’ve kind of created this little route that I like to do. So, um, yeah, I definitely think that,
Bunny: (19:15)
And I wanna be careful not to just limit our, our chat to, to Santa Fe because I know, I mean, I love Mariposa. That’s one of my favorite places I lived in, you know, I raised my kids in Albuquerque, so, um, I, every once in a while would get really lucky and get a Christmas present or something for some little tiny piece from Mariposa, but what a great gallery. What a what a supporter of local artists, right?
Lori: (19:40)
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, you know, the other thing, um, I guess I would add too, for great places that you have to go to, and that is, um, down to, to Judy Chicago’s installation. She’s got down there through the, through this flower space and they just wrapped up, um, the woman house and now they’re starting the dinner party, like a, a redo of the dinner party.
Bunny: (20:05)
I don’t know anything about that place. Tell me.
Lori: (20:07)
Oh, My gosh. Jump on the train, go down to the train stops right next door. Um, it’s a really great space. Um, I have, I’ve listened to Judy talk, um, two weekends ago, I guess, about the dinner party and that they were bringing it back to the space. Um, and I’m not quite sure of the dates. I don’t have that, um, not my fingertips, but you could go through to Judy Chicago’s website or to Instagram or through the flower space. But, um, the woman house was great.
Bunny: (20:40)
Are you, okay, so are you saying the flower space?
Lori: (20:43)
Yes, through the flower space.
Bunny: (20:45)
And what’s the other one? The woman,
Lori: (20:47)
Woman House was the installation. Okay. Yeah. And then now it’s gonna be the Dinner party, which is basically a table set for all these women that were never really recognized or brought to the forefront, um, of history. There’s a place setting for all of them. And then the names of, I don’t know, hundreds more that, you know, are underappreciated women. Yeah. It’s, it should be really fun. I just, I love her creativity. She’s an amazing artist.
Bunny: (21:16)
Oh, I have to tell you, I when her house in Galisteo went on the market, I sh I showed it to somebody and I at the time I was like, you know, I’ve always heard Judy Chicago’s name, but it’s one of those things that, you know, you see snippets. I was not a huge follower. And we went out to her house and I was like, this has to be the coolest person alive. The house just had such, um, eclectic but, but beautiful. I don’t know another way to describe it except sort of oddity, you know, you know, you’d go around a corner, you didn’t know what you were gonna see. It was so cool.
Lori: (21:54)
That’s wonderful.
Bunny: (21:55)
That’s when I became a fan. .
Lori: (21:58)
Well, there’s so much information that I mean talks you can watch her. She’s so down to earth and so approachable and just a very educated woman. I mean, she, I don’t know. I’m reading this book right now, it’s called World of Art, women Art and Society. And I have to think that Judy had read the same book because it goes all the way back to like the 12 hundreds when women were doing like illuminary. So there were like little nuns, you know, painting bibles and religious stuff. And then it sort of takes you through different periods of time. Um, but it just gives you perspective on what women have done and the fact that we were doing like lace and embroidery and tapestry and all these things that were considered like women’s work, not art. And I think Judy was very instrumental in the seventies of bringing that to the forefront and saying, this is art just as much as any a painting is, you know, or a sculpture is. So, I don’t know. I have to think that she drew from this book cause it’s really good.
Bunny: (23:03)
Now say the name again, we wanna refer to that. Yeah,
Lori: (23:06)
It’s called The World of Art, women Art and Society. And it’s by Whitney Chadwick.
Bunny: (23:12)
Wow, okay.
Lori: (23:13)
And it’s pretty heady and it’s pretty thick , but uh,
Bunny: (23:19)
It’s gonna be a cold winter. We’re gonna have lots of evenings for reading.
Lori: (23:26)
There you go.
Bunny: (23:28)
So you have this, you have a show coming up. Tell me when again.
Lori: (23:32)
It’s tomorrow and then I actually am participating in Echo Galleries. Regals, that’s an exhibit that opens, I believe December 1st or second. And it goes through January 1st or second. Uh, and that’s down on Palace.
Bunny: (23:47)
That is one of my Favorites. I love that gallery. Yeah. That is one of my favorite galleries.
Lori: (23:50)
Yeah, I felt so blessed to be selected. I submitted several works and I got two selected, so I’m pretty excited. Wow.
Bunny: (23:59)
Wow. Well I’m going down there to take a look. I, I mean I could. Um, I also really love Jacobi Fritz, the Contemporary Gallery. Um, Deborah, who I should probably have on this, um, podcast, Deborah Fritz is, has been such a supporter of contemporary artists, um, kind of way before anybody else in Santa Fe just dedicated their space to that. So, um, we could make a long list of places that people, um, might wanna think about visiting. But um, you know, winter out that’s, you know, that’s run by a female. That’s a wonderful gallery. There’s so many.
Lori: (24:40)
There are so many. And that’s one thing we, we are seeking somebody to do development. Um, my understanding is we just are bringing on somebody to manage our overarching communications and marketing. We’ve been, um, looking for somebody to host our website or manage our website and we finally have somebody we’re bringing on board. But development is something we really need outreach. I mean, I have business cards, I talk to people, but we really would love to recruit more galleries because then we can help them promote their work as well. And you know, there’s perks to that. Their name gets thrown out there and um, we can show their things in our newsletter. So yeah, the more galleries we can get involved in this nmc that’s our acronym for the New Mexico State Committee. We just call ourselves nmc. Um, the better.
Bunny: (25:29)
Well and this is the hard part of being an artist, isn’t it? I mean, you don’t get to just sit in a room and create, there’s the marketing piece as well and the awareness piece, which it sounds like you help with.
Lori: (25:43)
Yes,
Bunny: (25:43)
Quite
Lori: (25:44)
Considering. I really try to, cuz um, being an artist is, it’s challenging and especially, um, with the things that are happening in the economy. I mean, that’s always been cyclical, but um, it’s challenging to sell your artwork. You’re working hard to create something and then people wanna bottom line it. And um, you know, depending on how you’re selling your art, if you’re lucky enough to be in a platform, that’s great, but some people have to ship their things well, shipping costs are quite expensive. Frames are very expensive. So, um, yeah, it’s, that’s really a challenging piece of it is the
Bunny: (26:17)
Marketing. Okay, well let’s, let’s get to the really fun part because I, we’re gonna, we’re gonna put a link, um, to the website on this podcast, on the platform. And we’re also going to let people know you said it’s 50 bucks a year,
Lori: (26:32)
$50 a year, students are 25. And, uh, if you’re a galleries or you know, corporation business, we have a few businesses that support us. It’s 150 a year. That’s so reasonable.
Bunny: (26:45)
You are giving this away . Which is, which is certainly, I’m sure that’s the model. But now let’s get, I mean I wanna step away from the organization just for a second and have you talk about your favorite places in New Mexico because people always love that piece. You know if you could only go back to two or three places in New Mexico between now and you know, the rest of your life, what would you choose?
Lori: (27:11)
Well, I was planning to do A plane air painting class that unfortunately got canceled up in Taos, uh, this fall, last fall. And so that would be something for sure. I wanna get back up to tos, do some plenary painting. Um, I love Abuquiu, I love Northern New Mexico predominantly. Although I have to say I had the pleasure. I just turned 60 this year. My husband was so amazing. He took me on a tour on uh, Ted Turner’s. Armand Dars are Meneras Ranch down in the southern part. It’s kinda by truth or consequences. It was , it was so much fun. We had a six hour private tour with a gentleman that is so educated on the terrain and the flora, fauna there. And you get in this little jeep and you drive all around, you see Ted Turner’s buffalo roaming and we got to see all kinds of critters. So if you ever had a chance to do that. And I believe that they do, um, some bat tours there too cause he has bat caves there. And so I would say that’s something for sure to put on your bucket list. And then of course you have to go to White Sands and walk barefoot in that, you know, 110 degree heat through those white sands and they’re like cold. It’s so strange, you know?
Bunny: (28:32)
It is so cool, isn’t it? Yes. People don’t, it’s kind of nuts. And um, did you stay in TorC when you went on the tour?
Lori: (28:42)
We did and we stayed at Ted Turner’s. Um, it’s like a little resort hotel. Um, I can’t think of what the name of
Bunny: (28:50)
It is. Something grand.
Lori: (28:51)
Right? Yeah, it’s, yeah, the Grande Lodge or something like that. Yeah, we stayed there. That little town is kind of cute, but I feel like they sort of close up early, you know, it’s like everything’s sort of shuttered early .
Bunny: (29:07)
That seems to be a New Mexico thing except for Albuquerque. I mean, you know, we roll the streets up here at nine o’clock. That’s true.
Lori: (29:14)
That’s so true. That’s funny.
Bunny: (29:16)
Well that’s really cool. That’s a great tip. I’m gonna look up the Armand DARS ranch because, um, I, I’d like to go, I’d like to go down there and I’d also like to go to the space port sometimes, so, so that’s a, that’s a, you know, do one one day and do one the next
Lori: (29:31)
Day. Yeah. They’ve about that limited those tours cuz that was sort of our plan that this was back in May, but they had really changed it. Um, they weren’t offering the tours anymore. I think you could only do do it like maybe one or two days. It wasn’t like, it’s always open kinda thing. Sure, yeah.
Bunny: (29:47)
Cool. Well, Lori, this has been so much fun. What would you say, what’s your best word of encouragement for, um, somebody who’s, a New Mexico, a New Mexico female artist today? What’s, what’s your best word of encouragement for them?
Lori: (30:03)
I would say just don’t doubt yourself because no one has it figured out and nobody has the, the formula for what is the right kind of art. Like create what speaks to you, create what comes from your heart. Cuz people can see that. And you know, we have, there’s just so much diversity in the artists that I have seen, representational, abstract, et cetera. Do what speaks to you cuz it will speak to others and, and don’t get discouraged, by rejection here and there.
Bunny: (30:33)
Wow. That’s like good advice for life. . Thank you for that. Lori, thank you so much for being here and if there’s ever any time that we could promote your group, let us.
Lori: (30:45)
Thank you very much. I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about NMC.